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Post by barffy on Dec 1, 2014 9:35:36 GMT
Yesterday, my mate and I stumbled upon trail Mecca. An area near Wolverhampton that looks like a Pinkbike video shot in Canada. Seriously. I want to scream from the rooftops and tell you all about it, but whilst we were up there we met two lads (only people we actually saw for the good 1 1/2 hours we were there) who built the place. These guys have put a HUGE amount of work into them, tonne after tonne after tonne of soil moved. They were saying how it takes a lot of maintenance to keep it how it is due to the surface, and they sometimes get trouble from the local chavs messing up the jumps and flattening stuff for the sake of it. I've saw what has happened to the jump area at a near by park from overuse and basically kids messing with them. They are now deserted and 90% are unridable. If i start to ride them a bit more regularly, I will happily go up and rake the trails to try and keep them riding well, but i know others won't.
How do you balance sharing ride locations and preserving the trails? I help run a cycling club and whilst we mentioned it last night, we have kept it hush about where they are exactly. Plan would be the next ride we do in that area we would incorporate them, just a bit concerned at what cost!
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Post by andywatson on Dec 1, 2014 13:01:47 GMT
No response yet but I think this is because it's difficult to judge from afar, not because you posted something unimportant.
My take is: Being local you and the guys who have put so much work in so far are best placed to judge this one. I wonder if a group of you who are local could get enough support together to overcome the wear and chavs, so the place reaches critical mass and then thrives.
I take my hat off to the two chaps who have put their work in so far.
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Post by barffy on Dec 1, 2014 13:58:43 GMT
The place is unreal Andy. Big doubles, rollers, berms, hips you name it, this place has it. I take no credit for any work there, all we did was take a punt at having a nosey and it paid off. We felt very guilty as we were playing around the base on old trails out of the guys way and pushed up top just to say goodbye. when we got there they had their rakes out doing a bit of maintenance! They must have thought we were just like the local wildlife, I would have stopped and stayed to help if i hadn't promised the wife i'd be back!
I'm reluctant to bring too much attention to the place, as I'm unsure of the situation in terms of explicit permission to build there.
I think we had better judge it for the next ride by who comes i guess. We have a good group of regular lads who i know would happily get stuck in and give the guys building a few hours of their time. Only negative i can say is that the two young lads didn't wear any skid lids, KNOBBERS!
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Post by Jimbo on Dec 1, 2014 14:02:24 GMT
Difficult one really, I'd be tempted to keep it fairly quiet but in reality if mentioned on here there are only one or two of us who may go (myself included) but put it on cannock chase ftd FB page and it will be lost to over use i reckon. Can i ride to it from Wombourne? While I'm writing, I was walking over Kinver Edge yesterday with the dog, have you ever been there on the mtb, i reckon there is twice as much to do there as Baggeridge easily?
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Post by jgmu97 on Dec 1, 2014 14:19:57 GMT
Thats a good question,
I'd love to help dig trails and that but me living a good 10 miles away from the forest, i dont wanna one hand it all the way with a spade and rake. However, tomorrow im riding up there to scout out a new spot... My ambition is to find an area and then when i can drive, get up there and dig. I'd love to put back into the community as all i do is ride at the moment.
I've got some sick ideas in my head, just need to put the shovel in the dirt now!
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Post by hodgy on Dec 1, 2014 14:21:06 GMT
My own take on this is that if it's on private land without the landowners permission ..best to say nowt as making it well known to others will only result in its closure. A good few years back now I found a change of status on a track from footpath to bridleway ..which transformed what could be ridden legally and a fantastic loop could be formed ..the only evidence of this was on the ground in that the finger posts had been changed ( I still don't think years later that it's status had changed on O.S.maps) I invited Tom Hutton up from MBR and the route got published in the magazine ..I got a brief moment of fame in terms of a minuscule name check . It has since been published in the route guide ...Beyond Hamsterley..the route itself is Bolts Law ..and it has become a very well used route, It in some respects it has become a double edged sword for me ...in one sense I am pleased to have brought a fantastic ride to the attention of the mtb community ..tinged with a little bit of sadness that the trail is becoming ever wider due to the amount of use it gets. However if it hadn't been me then someone else would have eventually " discovered " it .... Without knowing the full facts behind your discovery ..it's very much your call ..but once it gets "known " things will never be the same ...
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Post by marsbarman on Dec 1, 2014 14:25:03 GMT
I'd keep it quiet tbh, you've found the spot through exploration, much the way everyone else who rides there has probably found it. Telling friends you've found a new sick spot is fine, but the second it goes on the web, everyone know.
Too much traffic and the trail pixies won't be able to keep up with the maintenance.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2014 14:51:08 GMT
I'm with Marsbarman on this.
Keep it to yourself, you found it through exploration and so should others. On Cannock Chase, I was shown a few trails and now I know of at least 25 others which I found (granted, it's not difficult) myself. I consider these little trails as reward for the exploration. Some are obviously maintained by someone and I'll always hop off my bike and do a bit of maintenance (as i'm sure others do) where I see it necessary. As I've found out myself, you share the trails with friends, they'll share with their friends and they share with their friends... Soon a quiet, little used trail is ruined by people who don't ride it properly and have no intention of ever even attempting to maintain what they just ruined.
Dig to ride, as it were..
Keep it off Strava too IMO
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Post by barffy on Dec 1, 2014 14:52:12 GMT
Come over this Sunday Jimbo to Kinver, i've been before and it's ace. Nathan off the Black country Cycling club is one of the builders over there who created the Freeride area and is leading one of our rides. We are going to take in some XC and also visit the Freeride zone. Here is one of the videos from Kinver, we won't be hitting these (unless you want to!) though!
Jim you are on it's doorstep, I know you aren't about to destroy the place. Come to the Baggeridge ride too on 21st and all will be revealed.
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Post by barffy on Dec 1, 2014 14:57:19 GMT
I'll upload footage later, It's not going to be identifiable as it's all under cover but at least you will see my conundrum.
I agree with Marsbarman and irideabike though, It just feels wrong to have it all to myself!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2014 14:58:50 GMT
Keep it to yourself barrfy! Just tell me and iRide
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2014 15:03:25 GMT
I'll upload footage later, It's not going to be identifiable as it's all under cover but at least you will see my conundrum. I agree with Marsbarman and irideabike though, It just feels wrong to have it all to myself! It's not wrong at all, mate.. You found it by getting off the beaten track and having an explore.. Let others do the same! I'm not saying all trails should be a secret and I will always share certain finds with friends and the people I ride with but, the obviously maintained trails, I keep to myself. Not because I'm selfish or want the trail to myself but because I know that 99% of the people I ride with wouldn't get their hands dirty to do a share of maintaining! If you ride it, you fix it IMO.. Imagine just how good FtD and the Monkey would be if every person who rode them helped to maintain them!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2014 15:07:40 GMT
Yesterday, my mate and I stumbled upon trail Mecca. An area near Wolverhampton that looks like a Pinkbike video shot in Canada. Seriously. I want to scream from the rooftops and tell you all about it, but whilst we were up there we met two lads (only people we actually saw for the good 1 1/2 hours we were there) who built the place. These guys have put a HUGE amount of work into them, tonne after tonne after tonne of soil moved. They were saying how it takes a lot of maintenance to keep it how it is due to the surface, and they sometimes get trouble from the local chavs messing up the jumps and flattening stuff for the sake of it. I've saw what has happened to the jump area at a near by park from overuse and basically kids messing with them. They are now deserted and 90% are unridable. If i start to ride them a bit more regularly, I will happily go up and rake the trails to try and keep them riding well, but i know others won't. How do you balance sharing ride locations and preserving the trails? I help run a cycling club and whilst we mentioned it last night, we have kept it hush about where they are exactly. Plan would be the next ride we do in that area we would incorporate them, just a bit concerned at what cost! ive been passed those small jumps loads mate as its only 15mins from my back door i have been told about the other bit i think ashley of Orange riders on FB is /was envolved in it .is it the one like a big bomb hole as that is one is not far .
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2014 15:10:37 GMT
Bloody hell Bob, narrow it down a bit - this is Wolverhampton we are talking about here.
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Post by barffy on Dec 1, 2014 15:21:16 GMT
Cheeky lol.
It may be those Bob, I wouldn't call it a bomb hole though, proper sculpted stuff and lots of it but yeah, it's not a million miles away from the battered ones on the railway walk!
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Post by hodgy on Dec 1, 2014 15:21:58 GMT
I personally think that everyone who rides at a trail centre should be made to take part in at least one trail build a year ..at the centre local to them . The few people who maintain these trails are all unpaid volunteers ..and riders ..just think what they would be like without them ..not too much to ask really is it? I don't know how you could enforce this ..but there is too much of an " I can't be arsed doing that " attitude existing out there at the moment ..and those people with that attitude will be the first to complain when the trails are totally shagged ! They don't build themselves people .....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2014 15:30:50 GMT
Being serious for a minute - I entirely agree Hodgy. I'd be more than willing to chip in and maintain stuff, selfish not to.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2014 16:05:29 GMT
Being serious for a minute - I entirely agree Hodgy. I'd be more than willing to chip in and maintain stuff, selfish not to. You volunteer with Chase Trails? When you going next? If I'm off, I'll join you.. Only done two this year..
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2014 16:09:41 GMT
We'll have to arrange it mate - it will be my first one and I've been meaning to do it for a while now.
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Post by rossco832 on Dec 1, 2014 17:11:22 GMT
There's trails around Fort William that are hidden but most people know about. Then there's the "Secret Trails" you have to really know where to look where to find them. They are near Nevis range but far enough away that people wouldn't really be looking there and stumble across them.
I tell some people about some trails and act dumb for the Secret Trails. The secret ones are actually ridiculous though it's like a hidden Mecca inside a forest much like what you have described. Don't get much use in the winter due to potential of ruining them.
However in Nevis Range it self there are loads of little trails that I would happily tell anyone where to go and look as I think these are great for visitors to see and are pretty obvious anyway and gives them extra riding that they wouldn't have had if they stuck to mapped trails.
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Post by Jimbo on Dec 1, 2014 20:42:47 GMT
Come over this Sunday Jimbo to Kinver, i've been before and it's ace. Nathan off the Black country Cycling club is one of the builders over there who created the Freeride area and is leading one of our rides. We are going to take in some XC and also visit the Freeride zone. Here is one of the videos from Kinver, we won't be hitting these (unless you want to!) though! Jim you are on it's doorstep, I know you aren't about to destroy the place. Come to the Baggeridge ride too on 21st and all will be revealed. Can't believe you are going this week. I can't as I am on a weekend away in Wales. Any chance your could run your strava so I can see where you go over there. I know the area quite well and could map the route. Might make the 21st depending on my sons football matches, will let you know.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2014 21:29:12 GMT
Cheeky lol. It may be those Bob, I wouldn't call it a bomb hole though, proper sculpted stuff and lots of it but yeah, it's not a million miles away from the battered ones on the railway walk! I have been told of a large hollow close by that has some real steep. Downhill bits but I have never found it might be worth a explore
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Post by barffy on Dec 1, 2014 21:37:53 GMT
Footage as promised, I'm the guy with the orange backpack and lid!
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Post by barffy on Dec 1, 2014 21:46:05 GMT
Hard to believe thats all in Wolverhampton eh, fifth worst city in the world my ars..
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Post by jony boy on Dec 2, 2014 2:35:35 GMT
haha i can tell barrfy really wants to tell everyone,its not hard to find , i think i know where you are on about m8y , lets hope it dont show up on google earth m8y , but im sure plenty people will be willing to muck in with maintenance
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