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Post by beansontoast on Oct 29, 2015 15:44:43 GMT
Why buy or build a bike that cost 1000's rather than buy or build a bike that costs 100's? Is it purely showing off? Shouting out to people "hey, look at my fancy bike"? Will a bike costing 1000's do the job better than a bike from Halfords that costs £500? Personally, to a certain extent, I'm a firm believer that it's 'how you ride, not what you ride' I'm just curious really as to why you go a spend 3,4 or even 5000 on a bike when you really don't have to!? Maybe it's the same reason people go out and buy a BMW or Mercedes when a Ford or Vauxhall would do... Is it as simple as having more money than sense? Is it that you want the best you can afford? Is it that you're far to 'duro for a Halfords bike? What do you all think? As for me... I could wake up dead tomorrow, I'll spend my money whilst can.. Plus, burds love a bit of carbon
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2015 16:36:53 GMT
status and keeping up with the Jones's ........ why do I spend money.... cos there are no pockets in shrouds .... I am more than content with my 3 bikes.... 2 are 2009 models and my DH rig is a 2007 model... would a newer bike make me a better rider.....nope...I very much doubt it... it is human nature to have the biggest and best of things.. and the markets know that fact......
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Post by jack on Oct 29, 2015 16:49:25 GMT
To an extent it's showing off I suppose and a 9k bike won't make me any quicker or better etc
But Better bikes do help
a 500 quid halfrauds bike won't have enough travel or a dropper post and 200mm discs on it,
To an extent the bike does make you quicker as you have more control fatter tyres and it will stop when you want it to etc but once you have the basics covered another few k won't make any difference
A few year old bike will cover all the main areas at the fraction of a 2016 modelcost and get you round a trail in brie same time and way
Like you say if you get a relient robin on a track it will work yes but you would be so much better in a focus
But then getting a bmw would make you marginally quicker but not even close to 10k quicker but its status
Suppose this goes for basic human beings
The athertons etc could prob mak. Use of the 15grams lighter wheels and the .2 wider tyre etc you'd get from the extra monies spent
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Post by Cheap as chips on Oct 29, 2015 17:14:16 GMT
i always rode a lot of cheap stuff, boardman, vitus etc as i never thought my riding abilities warranted a high end bike(even though i could afford one)now i have the five i can tell the difference form a 500 quid bike to a 3k bike but it dosent make me a better rider.
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Post by marsbarman on Oct 29, 2015 17:19:36 GMT
Why have I spent more than my car is worth on my bike?
Because I wanted to, not because I want to show off, not because I'm materialistic, but because I wanted to. It's a hobby I love. Sure I could have put cheaper parts on the bike etc to save money, but fuck it. I like tinkering and playing with expensive parts.
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Post by Cheap as chips on Oct 29, 2015 17:25:11 GMT
my bike is worth is worth 5 times the cost of my car.........
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2015 18:35:21 GMT
It's all comparative though, innit? One man's thousands is another (richer) man's hundreds. If it makes you happy and you ain't mortgaging the kids - why not? S'pose I'm lucky that I have been able to afford the bikes I aspired too, as I said somewhere else, me buying a 9 grand bike would be like a one legged man buying a pair of exclusive, expensive, designer shoes, they might look nice but he'll still only have one leg.
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Post by hodgy on Oct 29, 2015 18:39:37 GMT
Interesting thread ... Q. Why build a bike for thousands rather than hundred's ? A. I'm a firm believer that you get what you pay for and I would rather save to spend more money on quality than make do with something that I'm not 100% happy with . Q.Is it just showing off ? A. Undoubtably that plays a part ..and anyone who says it doesn't is just lying to themselves ! Q. Will a bike costing thousands do a better job than one costing hundreds ? A. Absofuckinglutley ..two million percent ..better components inevitably lead to a better ride due to weight saving and durability . To a great extent it is down to rider skill ..but for example would a light carbon full sus improve my riding and make me a quicker ...better rider . YES it would and I have already proven that to myself when I borrowed one for a week ..as not only did it make me quicker but because of the weight saving I also felt less tired at the end of a ride . For all those who would say just lose a stone and that would have the same result ..yes it would ..but if I lost a stone AND had a lighter bike ..then that would make me even quicker still ! It brought a bit of a wry smile really when you said you were curious as to why people did when you really don't have to ...really ? That coming from someone who sits astride a 7k bike ..I think you already know the answer to that ..it's because you can ! That's exactly the same reason why I bought a 4 grand bike in 2007 ..that and I wanted what I thought were the best tools for the job at that particular time ..however if someone pointed to a Halfords £500 jobbie and convinced me that it would improve my riding ability and at the same time give me a more comfortable ride ..I would have one in a heartbeat ..we are as Doogs pointed out ..victims of the marketing men In conclusion ...what do I think ..? Go out and buy the best bike you can for the amount of money you can afford irrespective of how much it costs ...if it puts a smile on your face and you love it ..job done ! Amen ...
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Post by Euan on Oct 29, 2015 18:41:30 GMT
In the last year between my cars and my bikes I have spent enough to fund the trident replacement (Ok maybe not quite that much but it is a lot) My family think that I'm mad but tbh, i'm not harming anyone, I'm not going hungry and I can still afford to do other things in life! Like marsbarman, I do it because I want to and I like to modify stuff. Do I care what other people think.... Absolutely not
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Post by rossco832 on Oct 29, 2015 19:10:43 GMT
When I do anything I like to have the best that I can afford. There is always food on the table and clothes on the kids so if I wanna spend x amount of thousands on a bike as long as the money is there than I can do it. I like to think that I have no excuses I can't blame the bike the same spec the pros are using.
There are people shredding better than me probably on £500 hard tails but well I work hard (ish) for my cash and I enjoy it the best way I see fit.
I am also far too Enduro for anything out of halfords ;-)
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Post by kalli on Oct 29, 2015 20:25:44 GMT
Wouldnt want to try that table top on ridge run on a halfords trax special.....ouch:'-(
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2015 20:49:22 GMT
I would love to have a high end expensive bike , but do I need one ?
I don't get to ride anywhere as much as I want to so would a expensive bike be better in my gaurage waiting to hit the trails no it needs be on the trails not in the gaurage .
I have been looking at having a new 27.5 ride but am now looking more at only spending about £600 on replacing my frame and upgrading a few things and not getting into debt so when it the bike is sat in the gaurage I don't feel so bad .
Guess I'm just a tight git but
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Post by hodgy on Oct 29, 2015 20:58:22 GMT
Or Bob ..you could try some reverse psychology... Spend an absolute shit load of dosh on your dream bike..making you feel so guilty that you will have to take it out at every opportunity just to justify its existence ...?
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Post by Chopper on Oct 29, 2015 21:12:19 GMT
As some folk on here already know i already had a decent bike in a Mondraker Dune, over £3K worth of bike and was cutting edge just a few short years ago,. Enter the new bike, a Transition Scout. Now i wasn't really looking for a new bike but fancied a go on one and as soon as i stomped on the pedals i knew i wanted it badly, it just felt right straight away, a really fun bike and so very fuckinig fast as my Strava times told me on a trail i'd ridden many many times, loads of pr's, i'm not competitive but everybody likes that speed buzz don't they, yeah i like it when people say they like my bike or give it admiring looks, we all do it don't we ? the price was irrelevant, i could afford it, i'd have handed it back if the money was too much. For me the selling point was how it made me feel and it made me feel AWESOME
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Post by Marmite on Oct 29, 2015 21:18:42 GMT
I've asked that question to my self .. But I love my five ... Which now is worth more than my old mondeo .. But then I asked wot bike would I have next and the answer is I don't know .. Probs look at getting a 650 b at some point .. But will probe be a five again lol
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Post by leedodds1 on Oct 29, 2015 21:39:00 GMT
I think there's a big different in performance between a sub £1k full sus bike and a £3k bike and think Hodgy is right, you get what you pay for. More expensive bikes are lighter, stronger, and generally do the job better.
Personally I love having the latest technology, dropper posts, floating pivot points, low speed compression, carbon fiber I love it all! But it turns out it all costs a fucking fortune!
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Post by typer on Oct 30, 2015 6:16:22 GMT
Personally, to a certain extent, I'm a firm believer that it's 'how you ride, not what you ride' This 100%, someone who knows how to ride well will be good no matter what bike you give them imo. As most of you have said though, it's nice to have decent quality kit and to a certain extent you most definitely get what you pay for. I do feel though after a certain price point you start to enter an area of diminishing returns and it's more about the branding and not the actual quality of the kit
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Post by beansontoast on Oct 30, 2015 7:01:32 GMT
It brought a bit of a wry smile really when you said you were curious as to why people did when you really don't have to ...really ? That coming from someone who sits astride a 7k bike ..I think you already know the answer to that ..it's because you can ! The reason I have a 7k bike is, as you rightly said, because I can. There is absolutely no doubt what-so-ever that I love people looking at my bike... What I don't understand though is why the majority of people call me a 'mad bas**rd' for having a set of 3K wheels, or a £200 cassette.. I'm a bit strange where buying stuff is concerned! The wheels are all about the stickers stuck on 'em, they could be made of old twigs and bog paper for all I care.. They have ENVE written on them and that is 100% the reason I bought them. Is that a waste of money? Would all die hard MTB riders not buy them if they could? I don't need them, I just want them! Building my bike was always meant to be an exercise of building what I WANTED, not what I could afford which has always been the case in the past.. I'll freely admit that most of the parts on my bike are there purely because of the name on them.. Chris King, ENVE, BOS, XX1.. All considered to be the best or near the best you can buy! Maybe I did fall victim to the advertising men but, I got what I wanted so, who gives a s**t!? As for is/was it worth it...... 200000000000% yes! I don't regret spending a single penny. Does a 7K bike make you a better rider....... Course it bloody does. Wouldn't we all be riding 6,7,8k bikes if we could?
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Post by hodgy on Oct 30, 2015 7:09:57 GMT
You can come out of the confessional box now Jay ... 3 Hail Marys and tell the world you're a flash git ( I'm not catholic ..so don't know what I'm saying here !) .. And the answer to your last question ....yes we would ! ( or at least I would )
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Post by beansontoast on Oct 30, 2015 7:12:28 GMT
You can come out of the confessional box now Jay ... 3 Hail Marys and tell the world you're a flash git ( I'm not catholic ..so don't know what I'm saying here !) .. And the answer to your last question ....yes we would ! ( or at least I would ) I'd best not mention I'm looking at buying a £2850 Nomad CC frame
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Post by typer on Oct 30, 2015 7:45:54 GMT
You can come out of the confessional box now Jay ... 3 Hail Marys and tell the world you're a flash git ( I'm not catholic ..so don't know what I'm saying here !) .. And the answer to your last question ....yes we would ! ( or at least I would ) I'd best not mention I'm looking at buying a £2850 Nomad CC frame I've been banging on for months how the replacement for my full susser will have less travel...... but I can't stop looking at the new Bronson, very very tempted
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Post by Marmite on Oct 30, 2015 8:39:07 GMT
People love spending money give you a buzz
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Post by leedodds1 on Oct 30, 2015 9:00:25 GMT
I've been banging on for months how the replacement for my full susser will have less travel...... but I can't stop looking at the new Bronson, very very tempted Love the new Bronson, do it!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2015 9:30:10 GMT
Yes, can't disagree with any of the above - even a 32 quid lid gives me a warm fuzzy feeling in my tummy I do agree though that after a certain price point it's not going to help you as a rider, unless you are pro level but, really, it doesn't matter a feck what I think - it's other people's money to spend as they want. I would think we've all got a sum in our heads where we'd go *sharp intake of breath* 'I can't spend that much on a bike!' and I also bet that that figure is different for every single one of us. So, it really, really doesn't matter if someone else thinks you're a 'mad barstard' or not - it's feck all to do with anyone else! PS - my *sharp intake of breath* level would be around the 3-3.5 grand mark. I think a bike of that ilk would improve me as a rider, no doubt. Anything over that would just be trying to polish an turd.
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Post by andywatson on Oct 30, 2015 9:30:34 GMT
An interesting thread with a good collection of valid responses. My take:
Although in most peoples eyes cars are a status indicator, you can get something flash on credit so for me it doesn't say much. Due to congested roads I drive only when I have to so I have a old and mundane car which is worth less than my bike - or even my watch
I think status is less of an issue with bikes. Only another rider would recognise the high end stuff. We are more likely to buy expensive bikes for our own pleasure than for status. I suppose a nice bike reflects our slightly different outlook and priorities. Money well spent!
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