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Post by mata on Nov 3, 2015 19:46:29 GMT
Right then, haven't managed out to take a closer look but if what your saying is right (going by the fitting of that converter I'm sure you are) the mech hasn't fitted a crown race on. If I get rid of that horrible converter thing, leave the header as is, and get the following crown race I should be sorted, yea? www.chainreactioncycles.com/mobile/nukeproof-reducer-crown-race/rp-prod92344As it is the 1.5" bottom cup that's fitted. |
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Post by glynnsixo on Nov 3, 2015 20:02:02 GMT
no mate, get rid of that horrible converter and fit the correct one as its essential, its what converts it from 44mm headtube to the inch and half steerer crown, but to do it the bearing actually sits externally from the bottom of the headtube.the link to the chainreaction page and the part number i gave is correct if you want to fit a nukeproof headset, which comes with the crown race you just posted. HOPE will also do pick n mix type headsets. if the mechanic has done any other work on your bike,id question if its fitted properly. fitting a correct headset is basic bike mechanic stuff.iv just fitted mine and this is what it should look like. as i say, what you call the converter is the cup which also houses the bearing.  |
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Post by mata on Nov 4, 2015 11:14:52 GMT
Hopefully these pics will clear things up  Managed to strip it down this morning to take a closer look.Looks like I do already have the proper cup (for 1.5"/tapered steerer) fitted, bearings are all nice and smooth tucked up inside. The issue is with the thick converter shown still on the fork, it is wedged on just like a normal crown race. From what I can see I have the top of the fork then a piece of metal with a tapered top on it, then directly on top of that the converter which sits snugly inside the bottom cup.      So if what I've pointed out as being correct, crown-race and the converter is sitting in the cup if I get rid of that converter and crown-race I should be nearly good to go with a new race. |
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Post by Jan on Nov 4, 2015 12:01:47 GMT
I would say you need to remove the lower race (orange) and refit the converter(yellow).
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Post by glynnsixo on Nov 4, 2015 13:43:48 GMT
neither what you.ve arrowed as the crown race or the converter look anything like the headset iv just fitted.the crown race in your earlier link looks correct and the bearing inside the bottom cup sits directly on top of that.i cant tell from your photos wether the cup is the correct one or not. its worth a try mata to order that crown race (its easy to fit and remove as its split) in your earlier link and see if it sits nice and snug with the lower cup and bearing.if it doesnt you'll need to order the whole bottom cup/bearing from CRC.
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Post by roundie1981 on Nov 4, 2015 16:15:07 GMT
Like jan says get rid of the bottom crown race, your converter takes the place of the crown
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Post by lowcogger on Nov 4, 2015 16:41:34 GMT
I can`t believe anyone who claims to be a bike mechanic could send a bike out in that condition. as glyn`s said above,i`d say you need a headset with internal top/external bottom cups.i used the nukeproof warhead when I built up my ragley blue pig. I`d be tempted to go back to the shop and have them put it right for you. I should also say that glyn must have eyes like a hawk cos I didn`t notice the mistake when I looked at the original pics. oh aye,nearly forgot,nice bike matey  |
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Post by glynnsixo on Nov 4, 2015 17:15:20 GMT
Like jan says get rid of the bottom crown race, your converter takes the place of the crown its hard to tell from photos, but it looks as tho the converter wont go down the taper any further than it is, otherwise it would be up against the crown race.if it wont, then it cant be the correct part for the job. haha cogger i used to have good eyes 15 years ago but the dodgy headset stood out like a............dodgy headset  |
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Post by roundie1981 on Nov 4, 2015 17:57:13 GMT
If the forks are 1 1/8 steerer then that converter will go all the way down no problem, yes it'll be tight but it will sit flush with the top of the crown assembly. Then I think the crown race sits on top of the converter but I'm not 100% sure about it, it's been a while since I used one of these
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Post by dirkpitt74 on Nov 4, 2015 18:10:41 GMT
Just done a quick google and found this:  Might be of use. |
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Post by glynnsixo on Nov 4, 2015 18:36:29 GMT
If the forks are 1 1/8 steerer then that converter will go all the way down no problem, yes it'll be tight but it will sit flush with the top of the crown assembly. Then I think the crown race sits on top of the converter but I'm not 100% sure about it, it's been a while since I used one of these in an earlier post mata mentioned it was a 1/8th-1.5" headset so iv presumed its a 1/8th-1.5" fork steerer. |
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Post by roundie1981 on Nov 4, 2015 21:06:27 GMT
If it was he wouldn't need to other with the converter they'd fit straight away.
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Post by glynnsixo on Nov 4, 2015 21:19:54 GMT
If it was he wouldn't need to other with the converter they'd fit straight away. the mega has a 44mm headtube so wether a straight steerer or tapered steerer fork is fitted it needs the correct cups/bearings. with a tapered steerer the bottom cup/bearing needs to fit externally, the top cup/bearing fits integrally. thats the way iv just fitted the headset of the mega im building up. is there an alternative way of doing it roundie? |
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Post by jgmu97 on Nov 4, 2015 21:39:54 GMT
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Post by glynnsixo on Nov 4, 2015 21:47:05 GMT
nice 1 jgmu that explains it nicely!
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Post by mata on Nov 4, 2015 21:53:42 GMT
This is all great help. Had it looked at by another tech, basically he's saying the crown-race needs to be removed and that the converter does the job of both and should be good to go then. So will try and get them both off and reseat the converter properly tomorrow night. Thanks for all the comments on the bike and helping me straighten issues out will get more/better pics of the bike once it's fixed up. You are all a bunch of legends  ? |
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Post by barffy on Nov 5, 2015 7:36:12 GMT
If they are 1 1/8th to 1.5 " I'd just buy a Nukeproof 44IETS headset, they are only about £40. I don't like the idea of convertors and such!
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Post by hodgy on Nov 5, 2015 8:11:06 GMT
Don't know about the legends bit ...more a bunch of leg-ends ! Haha
But it's great to see that people have " got your back " on this forum ..well done lads ( especially hawkeye sixo )
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Post by mata on Nov 5, 2015 9:28:18 GMT
If they are 1 1/8th to 1.5 " I'd just buy a Nukeproof 44IETS headset, they are only about £40. I don't like the idea of convertors and such! Problem I have is its a tapered tube but I've got a straight steerer so need the converter in the bottom cup. Would love a new set of forks but don't have the cash and loving the Lyrics to much ? |
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Post by glynnsixo on Nov 5, 2015 10:13:49 GMT
HANG ON HANG ON! lets get this right.............so you're saying that the headtube is tapered, and the fork steerer is straight? are you sure its not the other way round?
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Post by Jan on Nov 5, 2015 10:18:27 GMT
Mata you don't need to buy any bits! Just take out the 1 1/8" crown race and refit the 1 1/8" to 1 1/5" crown race that you have! The Nukeproof headset I fitted to my lads hardtail has that same part.
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Post by barffy on Nov 5, 2015 11:02:08 GMT
I fear I may be confusing the situation, but the mega definitely has a 44mm straight head tube.
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Post by glynnsixo on Nov 5, 2015 11:10:26 GMT
I fear I may be confusing the situation, but the mega definitely has a 44mm straight head tube. yes it does, and im not as much of a hawkeye as hodgy and cogger think, cos looking at mata's pics again, it looks like the fork steerer is inch and 1/8th straight. so if thats correct theres nothing tapered or 1.5" anywhere. 44mm straight headtube and inch and 1/8th straight steerer. |
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Post by mata on Nov 5, 2015 11:20:45 GMT
Hahaha this is getting out of hand!!! I think I'm confusing everything. Bottom line at the moment is I'm going to get the crown race removed and leave as is with the 1.5-1,1/8 converter in and everything should be hunky dory Now time to get it even more dirty!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2015 11:28:49 GMT
I'm absolutely confused never had to use a convertor so haven't a scooby! hope you get it sorted mate. |
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Managed to strip it down this morning to take a closer look.Looks like I do already have the proper cup (for 1.5"/tapered steerer) fitted, bearings are all nice and smooth tucked up inside. The issue is with the thick converter shown still on the fork, it is wedged on just like a normal crown race. 
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