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Post by hodgy on Dec 11, 2015 8:01:21 GMT
I was looking at this section of the Pennine Way footpath ..and wishing we had the same access laws as Scotland ..it seems criminal that we have no legal access to this sort of stuff m.geograph.org.uk/photo/3584690 |
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Post by hodgy on Dec 11, 2015 8:06:27 GMT
When I came upon this earlier pic along the same section ..from 2010 ... I don't know if it's just my eyes ..but enlarging this pic I would swear blind that this bloke in the distance is on a bike ? m.geograph.org.uk/photo/1959264 |
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Post by hodgy on Dec 11, 2015 8:23:42 GMT
Looking at other pics it seems that large sections of this part of the PW have been re-enforced with flagstones and looking on the map a great ride could be put together starting in Muker ...obviously not one for the winter months ..early spring if it's a dry one ..and where access laws are concerned.. how will change ever come about if rules aren't broken ?
It's not to far away from Reeth either ...( Kirky )
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Post by Marmite on Dec 11, 2015 10:49:52 GMT
You know it's a walk I have always wanted to do over ten days .. Yes did say walk lol  |
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Post by glynnsixo on Dec 11, 2015 11:26:00 GMT
yes im hoping that wales goes forward with the same kind of access laws as scotland. it might lead to the whole ofthe uk rethinking access for the benefit for all
when any walkers give a rollocking to riders for riding somewhere cheeky, its good to remind them that it walkers in the first place who broke he law for the mass tresspass on kinder scout, which led to walkers getting the access they wanted
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Post by hodgy on Dec 11, 2015 11:38:49 GMT
To true ...the other " loophole " is that if you can prove that you have ridden on a footpath over a number of years ( I forget how many off-hand ) then you can apply to have its status changed from footpath to bridleway .
So if anyone shouts at me I just tell them that ....and in a way I just like to think I'm offering a public service for us riders !
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Post by hodgy on Dec 11, 2015 11:46:21 GMT
I would also say that in the main attitudes have softened over the years towards mountain bikers by the vast majority of walkers ..you do get some complete arseholes still ..mainly older types.. but not the open hostility from when I first started .
I remember being chased by an elderley gent who was part of a large group ..when I was riding legally on a bridleway ..boy did he want to do me some harm ..lol
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Post by kirky72 on Dec 11, 2015 19:52:21 GMT
Looking at other pics it seems that large sections of this part of the PW have been re-enforced with flagstones and looking on the map a great ride could be put together starting in Muker ...obviously not one for the winter months ..early spring if it's a dry one ..and where access laws are concerned.. how will change ever come about if rules aren't broken ? It's not to far away from Reeth either ...( Kirky ) Yes it seems a shame to go and ride in beautiful natural surrounding on what amounts to a pavement, doesn't seem quite mtb. I think the slabs serve a purpose when it traverses areas of bog. Other than that give me the somewhat clapped out old slabs of Calderdales industrial past over these purpose made versions any day. when you mention Reeth Hodgy, this one seems to be one of from the to do list. archive.yorkshiredales.org.uk/outandabout/gettingactive/cycling/mtb/mtb-findaroute/mtb-route-edge/mtb-the_edge.pdfarchive.yorkshiredales.org.uk/outandabout/gettingactive/cycling/mtb/mtb-findaroute/mtb-route-edgeI think roundie and Paul have been up that way before and Jimbo howev may have been a different route. I've only ridden round there on the ard rock which was good but not quite natural (most of the down hill fun bits are on private land and the transitions were roads and lanes). |
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Post by hodgy on Dec 11, 2015 21:02:12 GMT
John
Those stone slabs are on " delicate " ground ..the original slabs were replaced after sinking into the mire ..we have these kind of slabs on the border ridge in the Cheviots and while they are nowhere near as smooth ..they do make for terrific riding ..
The first ride you posted I have also done a few years back with Ian Bell & Jaco ..and we were accompanied for half the day by the owner at the Dales Centre who's name I have forgotten but who's climbing ability I never will ..unbelievable !
It's not one that I would personally rush back to ..too many old mining tracks and it seemed to me that the climbs were not compensated enough by the descents ..
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Post by kirky72 on Dec 12, 2015 7:58:46 GMT
"seemed to me that the climbs were not compensated enough by the descents .."
That sounds like most of my rides, well at least how it often feels.
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Post by Mediocore on Dec 12, 2015 12:35:35 GMT
Looks like a prime Evening Bridleway to me
The by laws that cover footpath access our out dated at best, but this in the England we will have no change here
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Post by matthews on Dec 12, 2015 12:58:51 GMT
It's not against the law to ride a footpath , common misconception , the land owner can prosecute you under trespass but only if he can prove you have done damage and the amount is minimal and relates to the amount of damage over the distance you have caused it , A footpath is basically allows you to walk over someones land without being prosecuted for trespass , as it's civil and a minefield the chances of it happening are minimal , that's why Kinder Scout was called the Mass Trespass , that's what it was as no one broke the law criminally . Try explaining this to the bobble hat brigade though , I find it depends where you ride and your attitude to walkers tbh but you always get some tossers , we had one once ranting at us on the cleveland way because there were footpath signs up , the fact that most of the cleveland way is an old pack horse route was lost on him
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Post by hodgy on Dec 12, 2015 13:40:25 GMT
Great explanation Matthews..I was blissfully unaware to most of it .
Cheers
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