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Post by duke on Jan 25, 2016 9:32:35 GMT
OK so I've come across an head scratcher. On Friday night i decided to change my stem, i have a spare 50mm stem which at first i though wouldn't clamp my bars but it turns out it does, so i took my old one off and removed a spacer ad the spare stem i have is an ugly DH stem but i wanted to put it on just so i didn't have the huge current stem on. Now what was meant to be a 5 minute job turned into a 45 minute one and i still have my old stem on, i had to give up.
The problem was as soon as i fitted the 50mm stem there were loads of play in the headset and the forks just wobbled all over, i had compressed the bearings as much as i could and there was still loads of play... I thought I'll try and put the old one back on as there was zero play so i added the spacer back on an put the old one back on and there was no play what so ever, so i swapped them again and same thing loads of play, i put loads of pressure down on the new stem and tightened it all up and managed to eliminate a lot of the play, but there was still some play in it, so i gave up and put the old one back on again.
Any ideas why, I've had the same stem on a different bike and i didn't have this problem...
One thing that does concern me is that the headset seemed to come apart very easily, the caged bearings just dropped out of the bottom and the top ones seemed to be loose as well until i fitted the old stem again, they don't feel rough and there is no play with the old stem on so i don't think it needs replacing, it could do with a good greasing but that's getting done in 2 weeks when I'm off work.
So any ideas?
Any help much appreciated as always!
Duke
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Post by roundie1981 on Jan 25, 2016 11:43:45 GMT
You've probably done this but have you checked you've got the right amount of spacers underneath the stem?
No matter what stem you've got on it should tighten up fully so there's no play in your forks, only thing I can think is that the slacks not been fully taken up when you've tightened the top cap bolt up.
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Post by duke on Jan 25, 2016 12:13:40 GMT
You've probably done this but have you checked you've got the right amount of spacers underneath the stem? No matter what stem you've got on it should tighten up fully so there's no play in your forks, only thing I can think is that the slacks not been fully taken up when you've tightened the top cap bolt up. I thought that my self, the only spacer i removed was the top one as there was no room for one on top. I pushed the forks upwards with some force to make sure the steerer were as far up as it could go and i then pushed the stem down as far as it would go down the steerer, i tightened the top cap up and the stem and there was still little play, the spare stem i do have is very bulky and weighs about the same as an house brick so i wonder if its not making contact properly with the spacers underneath.. apart from that i'm clueless as it doesn't make sense. The DH stem i tried to put on was quite hard to push onto the steerer as well so i wonder it that has something to do with it, it is the correct size for the steerer but i had to knock it on at first and that was with the clamp bolts fully loosened.
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Post by duke on Jan 25, 2016 12:15:41 GMT
I think i just need to look for another stem, like a 50mm Kore one ;-)
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Post by roundie1981 on Jan 25, 2016 12:27:56 GMT
I think i just need to look for another stem, like a 50mm Kore one ;-) I know, I know! Still waiting for my mate to bring it into work, I'll chase him up.
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Post by duke on Jan 25, 2016 12:33:37 GMT
haha no worries mate, just bob me a message when you get it and we can either meet up for a ride and ill take it off you then or if not post if that's still all good with you.
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Post by Euan on Jan 25, 2016 12:58:25 GMT
Take a picture of the new stem fitted and let us see
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Post by Jan on Jan 25, 2016 13:28:47 GMT
Is the top cap bottoming out on the fork steerer? You might need to put a thin spacer back in.
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Post by step on Jan 25, 2016 23:01:33 GMT
You lifting the fork from underneath when tightening the topcap? I usually do this helps squash it all down.
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Post by duke on Jan 26, 2016 8:40:30 GMT
i think Jan was right about the cap bottoming out on the steerer, which, is no good as it isn't doing anything then! Im not going to bother trying to fit it again, I'm buying another stem and ill just give that a bash and see if i get the same problem! My guess is not.
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Post by Euan on Jan 26, 2016 13:30:38 GMT
i think Jan was right about the cap bottoming out on the steerer, which, is no good as it isn't doing anything then! Im not going to bother trying to fit it again, I'm buying another stem and ill just give that a bash and see if i get the same problem! My guess is not. All stems are different heights, you may well have the same issue again, instead of buying another stem why don't you just buy another spacer?
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Post by duke on Jan 26, 2016 14:52:26 GMT
i think Jan was right about the cap bottoming out on the steerer, which, is no good as it isn't doing anything then! Im not going to bother trying to fit it again, I'm buying another stem and ill just give that a bash and see if i get the same problem! My guess is not. All stems are different heights, you may well have the same issue again, instead of buying another stem why don't you just buy another spacer? Because i never intended on keeping the stem on, i was always going to buy another, this was just to bridge the gap mate.
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Post by duke on Feb 1, 2016 16:39:20 GMT
Update, fitted the new stem i bought off Roundie, no issue, i just needed an extra spacer, so the ones you sent with the stem were just what i needed mate, thanks, its now wearing its first hope bling in the form of a spacer.
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