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Post by Killswitch73 on Nov 2, 2014 22:00:40 GMT
Will there be any real world difference with srams 10/42 against shimano XTR 11/40
wanting to go 1x11 next summer , maybe even in new year now other bike is nearly sold .
my plan was to use my current crank with the raceface narrowide 32T i already have and then get . shifter , rear mech and cassette and chain.
I plan on going XTR instead of Sram . price point is that XTR rear mech , XTR shifter , XTR chain , XTR cassete comes in at £360 against the £450 it costs for Sram XO1 ., Sram XX1 is even more expensive and just the cassettes alone is like £50 difference .
I was all for changing to X01 , and if i did i would also need to find clamps for my XT brakes as they are I-spec (only 1 clamp for both brake and shifter) going XTR i wouldnt need to .
going the shimano route would be more simpler i would of though and near £100 cheaper , and not check weights but think XTR is lighter than Sram XO1 .
but what are other peoples thoughts .
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Post by Admin on Nov 2, 2014 22:19:50 GMT
SRAM have the better range of gears, I personally think Shimano have missed a trick only bringing out a an 11/40 cassette, will it work better than SRAM, I doubt it, I think they will work as well as each other.
I cant fault my X01 stuff, I've never really had any issues with it, if anything it is hyper sensitive to cable stretch so I find myself adjusting barrel adjuster a bit more often. The cassette has showing good signs of wear and the derailleur can take a knock without disintegrating.
Remember, you can now get SRAM 11 speed in X1 format which is cheaper than X01 (but not by much)
Mind that with SRAM's 11 speed kit you will also need to make sure that your rear hub can be converted to run an XD driver free hub
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Post by Killswitch73 on Nov 2, 2014 23:20:41 GMT
SRAM have the better range of gears, I personally think Shimano have missed a trick only bringing out a an 11/40 cassette, will it work better than SRAM, I doubt it, I think they will work as well as each other. I cant fault my X01 stuff, I've never really had any issues with it, if anything it is hyper sensitive to cable stretch so I find myself adjusting barrel adjuster a bit more often. The cassette has showing good signs of wear and the derailleur can take a knock without disintegrating. Remember, you can now get SRAM 11 speed in X1 format which is cheaper than X01 (but not by much) Mind that with SRAM's 11 speed kit you will also need to make sure that your rear hub can be converted to run an XD driver free hub Thats another thing i forgot to mention Euan , i would need a new hub . and with the shimano i dont need one so even more on top if i got Sram. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2014 7:40:53 GMT
It's just price for me. I've no doubt that the X1 is really good, both Euan and Malamute really rate it, but I would ask myself if you think all the extra expense you are going into is really going to show you that much difference over the Shimano kit? that's the biggie for me, what actual benefits are you getting for a pretty large outlay?
If money is no issue then it would be great to try, you also have to factor in how much more the X1 stuff costs to replace over XTR as well.
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Post by Killswitch73 on Nov 3, 2014 8:46:48 GMT
It's just price for me. I've no doubt that the X1 is really good, both Euan and Malamute really rate it, but I would ask myself if you think all the extra expense you are going into is really going to show you that much difference over the Shimano kit? that's the biggie for me, what actual benefits are you getting for a pretty large outlay? If money is no issue then it would be great to try, you also have to factor in how much more the X1 stuff costs to replace over XTR as well. yea and then X1 is bottom of the range of Sram 11 speeds and XTR is top of the range for shminao . Im doing it as i love the single ring set up .I have price it all up agasint XTR v XO1 and XTR kit comes in at a wopping £280 cheaper and that getting my hub replaced even more if i replace the whole rear wheel . The XTR is upgradable on itself too . if i ended up buying the XTR single crank set and then later change my mind and want to go back to double , all i have to do is buy a ring and fit it to the single crank set making it a double . still to expensive to get a XTR crankset though , if roumors are true then they will bring out an XT version sometime next year .In the mean time i can just take both rings off my XT crankset and put the raceface narrowide on . |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2014 8:58:36 GMT
What wheels do you have?
Could you not just change the freehub body rather than the whole hub/wheel?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2014 9:05:41 GMT
Sounds to me mate that the XTR is a no brainer. I've gone the cheapest route possible and just stuck a 42t expander on my XT cassette - virtual 11 speed  - and was a bit worried about the gear changing, but with the 16t cog you get with it, the gear changes are faultless and when I go 1x10 next summer all I need to do is buy the narrow/wide chain ring. As I said, I couldn't justify the X1 kit over the XTR but that's just me. It's all about cost and what actual advantage you are going to gain. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2014 9:11:35 GMT
I've just had a quick look on CRC at the SRAM and Shimano 11spd stuff and, in my opinion, the XTR stuff looks sooooo much better!
I may even consider it for my next build!
Then again, I've got through two rear mechs in as many months and don't fancy replacing an XTR 11spd mech..
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2014 9:23:52 GMT
How did you feck up another rear mech? I've done 2 in 3 years!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2014 9:31:35 GMT
How did you feck up another rear mech? I've done 2 in 3 years! A twig somehow managed to wedge itself between the wheel and mech. Luckily, it left my fancy spokes alone! It still works ok but it has a noticeable twist and bend to it and it's just a matter of time before it starts playing up like the Zee did. Ordered a new one anyway! |
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Post by Killswitch73 on Nov 3, 2014 10:38:09 GMT
What wheels do you have? Could you not just change the freehub body rather than the whole hub/wheel? Im not sure about just changing the free hub as never changed one before nor have i changed a complete hub , i would need to get hold of new clamp for XT brakes and then have 2 clamps instead of 1 on handlebars (i-spec mount) .going to keep it all shimano i think . My wheels are custom to the bike i think as cant find them anywhere . Wheelset DT CSW AM 3.9 straightpull wheelset, 28/32 spokes, 15QR/X12, 622x23C tubeless ready, DT SWISS Pro Head Reinforcement System, Squorx alloy nipples |
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Post by notsarkyadam on Nov 3, 2014 12:23:55 GMT
I looked at the xx1 and x01 the first thing that hit me was the amount of people having issues with the pedal inserts, pedals were literally falling off, and the cost of chains, cassettes, rings etc .... As I get through perhaps 2-3 cassettes, 3-4 chains.. And usually atleast one ring. As I ride in harsh areas... Sandy gritty etc... The best and most cost effective was just to go for a 11-36, with 42 expander, and I'm very happy....
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Post by jgmu97 on Nov 3, 2014 14:51:19 GMT
I've had no problems with 1x10, 34t with an 11-36 cassette. If money was no problem, then i'd be going for the XTR groupset. However, do you really think you need it? £360 is much cheaper than i was expecting, however it still works out as a lot of money for 1 extra gear!
If they bring out XT / SLX level, then that will be very decent!!!
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Post by Killswitch73 on Nov 4, 2014 13:17:17 GMT
I consider it as i got the bike at such a brilliant price , £1200 cheaper than retail , the £350 it would cost to do it and to then look at bikes with the same spec to mine costing 3-4 times the cost i paid for my bike seems like a bargain and would be a one off too .and of couse the weight saving the ease of use , i fell in love with 1x10 and loved it but could of done with that 40T . also with the XTR if you read the reviews on the gear changes of the shifter they have made it so you don't feel the step up and as you go up it gets tighter and stiffer , not with the new XTR . my gears at the minute are just that , its get a little tight and to be honest not as clean as i would of liked . Ive got a buyer for my Lapierre and thats just over a grand without the reverb seat post .I got a load of bike stuff to sell too . i could make £300 with just bike parts lol. and like someone said it will also look very nice too .
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Post by Killswitch73 on Nov 4, 2014 13:54:50 GMT
It certainly will. Sounds like you're sold. yes gaz my only worry is if i ever go 2x11 as im not sure on how to thread the rear mech cable back through the frame , i have no idea if the frame has cable guides in them ,just thinking positive and all avenues if i ever go back for any reason . i had to thread new cable through frame of the Scott and that was a nightmare as it never had guides. Just think gaz when i come down there you can ride it with all that shinny new XTR 1x11 .  |
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Post by Admin on Nov 4, 2014 13:55:29 GMT
I'll be selling my X01 kit over the next month or so  |
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Post by Killswitch73 on Nov 4, 2014 13:57:59 GMT
I'll be selling my X01 kit over the next month or so you know what , i was going to ask you that a couple of weeks ago as you were selling your bike. and then you said you were keeping it so i didn't bother asking . you selling bike now in bits or just selling gears ? |
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Post by Admin on Nov 4, 2014 14:10:28 GMT
I'll be selling my X01 kit over the next month or so you know what , i was going to ask you that a couple of weeks ago as you were selling your bike. and then you said you were keeping it so i didn't bother asking . you selling bike now in bits or just selling gears ? I'll be splitting the whole thing, the only stuff i'll be keeping will be the bars and stem |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2014 7:57:36 GMT
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- and was a bit worried about the gear changing, but with the 16t cog you get with it, the gear changes are faultless and when I go 1x10 next summer all I need to do is buy the narrow/wide chain ring.
