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Post by spec29 on Sept 25, 2016 20:08:43 GMT
Having tried my whyte a couple of times now, I can't get my head round which position the open and closed lever should be. I get how the rebound adjuster works but the three positions on the lever has little or no effect. Can someone enlighten a newbie in to the world of rear shock what position is what and where I should have the lever to set the sag? Thanks in advance  |
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Post by hodgy on Sept 25, 2016 20:14:02 GMT
Fully open to set the sag ...if you were sitting on the bike that's anti clockwise ..go back 1 position clockwise ..that's for normal trail ..and clockwise again for locked out ..that's based on a Fox set up ?
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Post by spec29 on Sept 25, 2016 20:34:05 GMT
In idiot terms then Hodgy. Sitting on the bike looking down. 12 o'clock position is fully open? 4 o'clock is locked and 8 o'clock is trail position. Is that correct?
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Post by hodgy on Sept 25, 2016 20:47:23 GMT
Without seeing which shock you have ...
Sitting on the bike as far over anti clockwise is fully open for steep techy downs , going back clockwise is for normal trail riding ...and clockwise again is locked out for ease of climbing ...
Well it is on mine anyway ...
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Post by Rlo80 on Sept 25, 2016 21:10:05 GMT
Surely you can feel the shock bouncing when fully open, and solid when closed? Otherwise you might have way too much pressure on it...but even then?!? On Fox, rear Shock fully open with lever towards rear wheel...fork fully open with lever pointing onwards and forwards!
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Post by spec29 on Sept 25, 2016 22:15:36 GMT
It's a rockshox debonair rt3 and the lever spins round both ways without having to go the other way. It has three lock position as I mentioned in the 12, 4 and 8 position. Might be me being thick but there seems very little between the 3 positions. I can't find anything on rockshox actually saying what position is what. I suppose they expect everyone to know this basic thing.
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Post by hodgy on Sept 26, 2016 4:40:59 GMT
Please ignore my "advice" as this was for a Fox shock ..
I have no knowledge of Rockshox..but as has been mentioned there should be a noticeable difference between the three settings..
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Post by mike3342 on Sept 26, 2016 5:00:30 GMT
12 is locked 4 partial and 8 fully open. Is on my rokshok anyway and I can tell the difference when riding. Make sure you change with little or no weight on the bike and see if that works. Should only go back and forth between the positions not round in a circle, or in my OCD world that is how it happens.
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Post by roundie1981 on Sept 26, 2016 5:20:20 GMT
Does it not say on the shock mate? It might say low/high can't remember off top of my head.
I've got the rt3 debonair and can definitely tell a difference when the shocks in a different mode.
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Post by Rlo80 on Sept 26, 2016 6:58:57 GMT
You should have got a pump with it. check what pressure are you running and also how much rebound (assuming it has)?
You should definitely feel the difference...
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Post by dirkpitt74 on Sept 26, 2016 7:16:38 GMT
12 is locked 4 partial and 8 fully open. Is on my rokshok anyway and I can tell the difference when riding. Make sure you change with little or no weight on the bike and see if that works. Should only go back and forth between the positions not round in a circle, or in my OCD world that is how it happens.
That's how it is on mine too.
You need to set the sag/pressures with it in the 'open' position.
What pressure have you got in the shock? If it's too high for your weight it probably won't move that much.
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Post by spec29 on Sept 26, 2016 7:24:52 GMT
It didn't come with a pump so that's my first port of call today. 5 K worth of bike and they can't supply a £20 pump. Now I know what position is fully open I can check how much pressure and go from there. Thank you for your help. |
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Post by spec29 on Sept 26, 2016 7:35:04 GMT
Does it not say on the shock mate? It might say low/high can't remember off top of my head. I've got the rt3 debonair and can definitely tell a difference when the shocks in a different mode. There is nothing on the shock that I can see only the tortoise and the hare symbols. |
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Post by spec29 on Sept 26, 2016 7:39:39 GMT
12 is locked 4 partial and 8 fully open. Is on my rokshok anyway and I can tell the difference when riding. Make sure you change with little or no weight on the bike and see if that works. Should only go back and forth between the positions not round in a circle, or in my OCD world that is how it happens. It certainly spins in either direction continously, not back and forth. I will have to call the dealer as maybe something is not right with it hence why I can't feel any difference. |
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Post by hodgy on Sept 26, 2016 7:40:10 GMT
The Hare denotes the fully open position as in more " bounce " ...the tortoise being slow denotes the least bounce ( firmest setting ) .
I suppose there is some bounce from a tortoise but the ones I've tried didn't rebound too much ( lol) .
Also set the psi to your weight in pounds including all of your riding gear ( clothing , backpack etc)
eg....if you and riding gear are 180lbs ..then set the psi to 180...
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Post by dirkpitt74 on Sept 26, 2016 8:10:10 GMT
I think the lever on mine goes all the way round too - although I only ever seem use open or pedal position.
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Post by spec29 on Sept 26, 2016 8:48:08 GMT
Just spoken to the tech guy at the dealer and he says 8 o'clock position is fully open also. The lever is over the tortoise side but he said those symbols are for adjusting the rebound and doesn't correspond to open and closed. That's opposite way to your answer Hodgy so still not 100% sure. I will give it a go today and see what happens.
Thank you all for your feedback
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Post by hodgy on Sept 26, 2016 8:55:55 GMT
Ahh ..
Hush my mouth then ...
As stated earlier ..not at all sure about rockshox ..
I do find it a little strange that on a 3 position shock 2 of them are for the shock to be fully open though ..however I will stop commenting on something I don't know about as it's just confusing things .
I'm sure you will get it sorted though ...good luck
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Post by dirkpitt74 on Sept 26, 2016 9:00:03 GMT
Here you go (nicked from google):
Found a better pic: 
Tortoise/Hare is for rebound (red dial)
Description/explained HERE.
Hope this helps.
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Post by spec29 on Sept 26, 2016 9:12:15 GMT
Thank you Hodgy. I did actually see them pictures on Google but it still doesn't say what position is what so that meant nothing to me. I actually believed your suggestion more than my dealer as the guy was unsure himself until he passed me over to one of the service guys.
I wasn't putting you down in any way. Just wanted to pass on what I was told incase any other stupid newbie like me has the same issue.
I appreciate everyone's effort in trying to help.
Thank you all. :-)
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Post by hodgy on Sept 26, 2016 9:31:59 GMT
That's not the way I took it at all ..I was more concerned that I was giving you misleading info and my reply was meant in a lighthearted way ..so all good ..
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Post by Rlo80 on Sept 26, 2016 10:24:44 GMT
Yeah, get yourself a pump! It's necessary. To be honest I thought RS were pretty good with that, unlike Fox!
I would personally spend a few extra quid but get a digital one (Fox sell one at Mojo but usually always sold out).
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Post by dirkpitt74 on Sept 26, 2016 10:55:36 GMT
Yeah, get yourself a pump! It's necessary. To be honest I thought RS were pretty good with that, unlike Fox! I would personally spend a few extra quid but get a digital one (Fox sell one at Mojo but usually always sold out). Lezyne are doing a compact shock pump with digital display.
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Post by ktmfiveforty on Sept 26, 2016 17:55:24 GMT
Just to confuse further  .. on mine (Monarch+ RC3 Debonair) the lever goes the other way 
4o'clock = rock hard 6o'clock = normal (all round type of setting) 8o'clock = soft as shite
but they are all very different and noticeable .. I recently put a bit more pressure in mine and it has made the difference even more noticeable |
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Post by spec29 on Sept 26, 2016 17:56:59 GMT
A quick update...I decided to go to Thetford forest and have a couple of hours playing with the settings and seeing what happened.
I went to the on site bike shop but they didn't have any shock pumps in stock so I asked if they could set me up as I was suited and booted ready to ride so they got the sag sorted for me.
I set both shocks to the open position & the rebounds to middle setting to give me a starting point and see how it went from there.
I hit the trails and the bike handled superbly, coming from a fairly basic hard tail this was like riding on a floating carpet.
Both shocks worked perfectly and for a novice with nothing to compare the ride with, I was more than happy with the middle settings.
The bike didn't bottom out or jump about at all, it stayed planted and absorbed everything. I was really blown away how it handled now I had got to grips with the shock settings.
I will probably play with the settings once I have got used to the bike more and my confidence builds with the rides.
For now I will keep as is and just get used to characteristics and ride.
Thank you all again for your feedback and help on this. I really appreciate it.
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.. on mine (Monarch+ RC3 Debonair) the lever goes the other way 