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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2014 8:47:58 GMT
BTW CRC are doing a cracking bundle deal atm. Just ordered an M771 XT 11-36 cassette with a KMC 10-93 chain for £44.98 bundle deal - pretty good that!
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Post by notsarkyadam on Oct 3, 2014 9:30:12 GMT
Not bad at all!..
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Post by bigal on Oct 27, 2014 7:42:18 GMT
Just read this thread and I nearly have all the info I need. I too are thinking of ditching my triple front ring and going single ring including the 42tooth extra cog at the rear. Can I just remove the inner and outer rings leaving the middle 32t cog or do I need to replace it with one of those narrow wide rings and how will I know if my chain needs to be longer or not?
For those that have changed how are you getting on?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2014 7:58:49 GMT
You will deffo need the narrow/wide imo or have the pain of the chain jumping off on the rough stuff. I loved the 1x10 on the Cube but found I was under geared for Wales etc, but having a 40 or 42t pussy cog should sort that problem out.
I've got 2x10 AND a pussy 42t cog but when the front rings wear out I'm pretty sure I'll go back to having a 32 narrow/wide on instead of the 2x10.
I love the clean look and the ease of maintenance...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2014 8:05:57 GMT
Ooh the chain thing?..... here
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Post by lowcogger on Oct 27, 2014 20:54:47 GMT
right chums,i had my first proper 1x10 ride at llandegla on Saturday.i was apprehensive to say the least as some of those short,sharp climbs have had me struggling in the past even with a 2x10 set up with 36/22 rings and 12/36 cassette.i`ve opted for 30t blackspire snaggletooth n/w chain ring,11/36 cassette with 42t one up expander.result? best ride I`ve ever had round degla,couldn`t believe how well I performed taking into account my poor level of fitness after almost 4 months off the bike. I just love the simplicity of the whole set up,not shifting 10 gears in one go on the front and then rapid shifting on the back to try to keep up some sort of cadence when pedalling.i always used a chain tensioner on the 2x10 and it`s obvious now how noisy the chain was as it passed over the roller.binning the left hand shifter has also allowed me to fit the reverb remote under the bars on the left side.i obviously used the 42t a few times but nowhere near as often as I thought I might have to.i`ve got a 32t chain ring ready to stick on in place of the 30t as my fitness improves.one things for certain,i won`t be going back to 2x10 in a hurry
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Post by marsbarman on Oct 27, 2014 21:08:09 GMT
What I've found with my 1x10 setup is that I get into the 40t cog and realise I've got no more gears, so my body just deals with it and tells my legs to man the fuck up and keep pedaling. Happened today on a quick blast, we pulled over to have a look at a trail leading on to the fire road we were climbing, as we got back a guy on a HT rode past, we both said hi and nothing from him, he just looked at us like we were invading his little ride, so I set about beating him up the climb. Had a lovely smug grin on my face once he eventually made it to the top.
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Post by Chopper on Oct 27, 2014 22:15:41 GMT
right chums,i had my first proper 1x10 ride at llandegla on Saturday.i was apprehensive to say the least as some of those short,sharp climbs have had me struggling in the past even with a 2x10 set up with 36/22 rings and 12/36 cassette.i`ve opted for 30t blackspire snaggletooth n/w chain ring,11/36 cassette with 42t one up expander.result? best ride I`ve ever had round degla,couldn`t believe how well I performed taking into account my poor level of fitness after almost 4 months off the bike. I just love the simplicity of the whole set up,not shifting 10 gears in one go on the front and then rapid shifting on the back to try to keep up some sort of cadence when pedalling.i always used a chain tensioner on the 2x10 and it`s obvious now how noisy the chain was as it passed over the roller.binning the left hand shifter has also allowed me to fit the reverb remote under the bars on the left side.i obviously used the 42t a few times but nowhere near as often as I thought I might have to.i`ve got a 32t chain ring ready to stick on in place of the 30t as my fitness improves.one things for certain,i won`t be going back to 2x10 in a hurry Told you fella, it's the only way, your fitness will increase soon and the 32t will be on pronto, well done
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Post by bigal on Oct 28, 2014 1:00:55 GMT
Just ordered a oneup 42tooth rear and a 32t front. All ready for when I get home in 2 1/2 weeks time. If anyone wants to pop round and fit them for me the wife will make a nice cuppa tea for you. Only kidding I am looking forward to all the swearing I can do trying to remove the cassette.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2014 8:18:53 GMT
Yes, I fully intend to go back to 1x10 on the Chief next summer, I do love the look, feel of the one ring, one shifter. The pussy cog is a Godsend to anyone going 1x10.
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Post by jgmu97 on Nov 4, 2014 22:33:51 GMT
Just seen what could be an alternative to the 42t ring on Pinkbike. Whilst browsing through the forums, i ended up on a thread about narrow wide rings and why they aren't used on double or triple ring set ups e.t.c... Obviously, the idea of N/W is to keep the chain on, so trying to shift it with a front mech is not the best of ideas!
However, some user pointed out that in some EWS races, pros were running a big toothed Narrow Wide (36t or 38t) and then a smaller (24t or 26t) granny with no mech or shifter. The Narrow Wide would be used for the DH/Trail stuff, then the rider would stop off for a second or so once finished to put the chain onto the granny ring and climb up the transfer stage alot easier!
This set up wouldn't work in the real world of riding, especially XC, but if you ride alot of Enduro/Trail where the climbing is separate and not integrated into the trail, and you struggle with hills on a 1x10 set up i think its a pretty neat idea.
I dont know how the chain line would look, or what rear mech length you would choose, but it would deffo benefit some riders IMO, as you get the advantages of 1x10 (Less Weight, Better Chain Retention, Less to go wrong) and the advantages of 2x10 (Better Climbing)
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Post by roundie1981 on Mar 19, 2015 18:30:06 GMT
I have an issue if I backpedal when in the big sprocket the chain dropped down 2 cogs, goes back up when you pedal forward (Not a problem really). Mine is the Hope and I think its a design problem so the One Up will probably be okay. You will probably need a medium mech and an XT cassette to allow you to remove the 15t and 17t to fit the 16t. I didn't like the look of the chain line when in the big sprocket so fitted 2mm spacers on the front chain ring. Remember to fit a longer chain or add some links as I did. Alter the B screw, re-index the gears and away you go. Although mine is only the 40t I found it a big difference. What did you use spacer wise on the front ring? ive got the hope with exactly the same problem, as in it keeps dropping down the casette when I back pedal.
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Post by will on Mar 19, 2015 18:50:22 GMT
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Post by roundie1981 on Mar 19, 2015 19:06:46 GMT
It's a zee, so its a short cage mate
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Post by lowcogger on Mar 19, 2015 19:21:58 GMT
I`ve had the zee on,off and now back on again.it looks to be at an odd angle but I`ve ridden it up and down the street for 10 mins just constantly going up and down gears.everything seems fine but I won`t now till I take it for a proper ride on sunday morning.
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Post by richardm on Mar 19, 2015 19:43:27 GMT
with a zee you need a rad r cage. to get it right i had a mare of a time with mine, but after i fitted the rad r it worked a treat. the rad r is a full cage unlike the rad so it works better, allso good for changeing long to medium as well look on oneups site
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Post by will on Mar 19, 2015 19:45:35 GMT
It's a zee, so its a short cage mate No matter what I tried I could not cure the back pedal problem using a Zee. You either live with it (I couldn't) or try a medium mech.
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Post by lowcogger on Mar 19, 2015 19:55:04 GMT
I`ve just been and checked mine for any back pedal probs and it`s ok but I know from experience that having gears set up perfectly on a workstand doesn`t mean that they`ll be perfect when it`s being ridden properly.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 20:03:35 GMT
I`ve just been and checked mine for any back pedal probs and it`s ok but I know from experience that having gears set up perfectly on a workstand doesn`t mean that they`ll be perfect when it`s being ridden properly. Good job your bike won't be ridden properly then..
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Post by lowcogger on Mar 19, 2015 20:13:17 GMT
I`ve just been and checked mine for any back pedal probs and it`s ok but I know from experience that having gears set up perfectly on a workstand doesn`t mean that they`ll be perfect when it`s being ridden properly. Good job your bike won't be ridden properly then.. knob.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 21:56:38 GMT
I'm assuming the Zee is a problem then. I noticed on the Bird site that if you want 1x10 with a pussy cog the mech changes from Zee to XT shadow+....if the pro's can't make it work......
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Post by roundie1981 on Mar 20, 2015 7:17:08 GMT
I'm assuming the Zee is a problem then. I noticed on the Bird site that if you want 1x10 with a pussy cog the mech changes from Zee to XT shadow+....if the pro's can't make it work...... The only problem I have with the zee is that it drops down a cog or two when I back pedal, changing the mech won't make any difference as it's coming off the front ring at too much of an angle and this is what's causing the gears to drop. (Cos your back peddling)
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Post by will on Mar 20, 2015 8:57:02 GMT
I'm assuming the Zee is a problem then. I noticed on the Bird site that if you want 1x10 with a pussy cog the mech changes from Zee to XT shadow+....if the pro's can't make it work...... The only problem I have with the zee is that it drops down a cog or two when I back pedal, changing the mech won't make any difference as it's coming off the front ring at too much of an angle and this is what's causing the gears to drop. (Cos your back peddling) That's exactly what I thought but it wasn't the case. I improved the chainline and it made no difference. If you read around the internet it's a problem with the the teeth on the Hope ring - some people get away with it some do not. It appears you fall into the latter group. The only way I could stop the chain dropping down two cogs when back pedaling was to replace the Zee short mech with a medium.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2015 10:03:39 GMT
That's what I was getting at roundie. What Will said. Not saying it can't be done but if even proper bike manufacturers like Bird can't guarantee the results then you are probably better off swapping the mech or getting a One Up expander.
I personally wouldn't try and run a 42t cog on a Zee - it's just not designed for that kind of range.
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Post by roundie1981 on Mar 20, 2015 10:10:28 GMT
That's what I was getting at roundie. What Will said. Not saying it can't be done but if even proper bike manufacturers like Bird can't guarantee the results then you are probably better off swapping the mech or getting a One Up expander. I personally wouldn't try and run a 42t cog on a Zee - it's just not designed for that kind of range. Yeah I get that but the thing that gets me is that some people run them fine with no probs at all, so if it works on one then (supposedly) it should work on all!!! If I can't get it sorted then I'll just fuck off the expander, it's starting to do my tits in.
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